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Post by BlueJaysGM on Nov 3, 2019 10:05:35 GMT -5
Boston messaged me that he meant to not offer arbitration.. so after Parrish went unsigned, I put him back on Toronto since he had the highest offer previous to that. I'll have a better system of not offering arby next season But, Parrish only went unsigned because of the huge minimum salary he had to receive due to his being offered arbitration. It doesn't seem fair to the other teams that would have offered him a contract above $1.1m but less than $7mil...shouldn't we release him to FA and then allow people to bid on him without FA compensation or a minimum salary? Or am I alone here... was Molitor offered arby?
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Post by BlueJaysGM on Nov 3, 2019 10:09:14 GMT -5
IMO, we let this pass and worry about it next yr. I'm sure there were others who were arby & waived and no one knew.
Besides, if you offer arby to your own player, you can't re-sign them. (molitor);. You have to get them for the arby amount at the end of FA.
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Post by MarinersGM on Nov 3, 2019 11:02:08 GMT -5
That’s not correct re Molitor. In MLB they have “qualifying offers” that the players have to reject within 10 days for the team to be eligible for compensation. They also have limitations on players who are eligible and a completely different calculation system than what we use. In our league, you can re-sign players who were offered “arbitration” if they want. And if it were real life, Molitor probably would have accepted my “qualifying offer.”
And regarding parrish, it’s not a huge deal as he’s a 34 year old backup/platoon catcher, but it’s frustrating because I raised this issue previously. Namely, the fact that Boston obviously didn’t want him for $7m, the fact that a team had missed the fact he had a minimum salary (after I raised it), the fact that my team (and others) didn’t bother bidding on him because they were aware of the high minimum, and the fact that Toronto was then rewarded for ignoring the rules and making Commish do extra work after Boston withdrew arbitration without telling anyone else.
If we want to just let it go, I won’t raise a stink over Parrish, but you have to admit that’s kind of messed up, SD, and you’d probably be singing a different tune if you had been interested in Parrish.
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Post by BlueJaysGM on Nov 3, 2019 11:22:36 GMT -5
I would have signed Parrish over Petralli and I had cash to spend after losing out on Cone. I could have sworn when we wrote the arby rule yrs ago the entire point was that you risked having to take him back at the arby salary. Otherwise, what's the point? Everyone would just offer their players arby to get them at a discount if no one else bid.
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Post by MarinersGM on Nov 3, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -5
The rule you're referring to only applies to Type A and B FAs. I'd be fine taking Molitor at his arby salary as well, if it was higher, but would really have liked to have a crack at Parrish before he was signed for less than I would have offered him (and before I signed Spanky instead).
Again, I'm mostly frustrated by the Parrish situation because I specifically addressed it before it happened and still didn't get a chance to bid on him with no minimum salary...but I'll let it go if everyone else thinks it's no big deal and that we should just address it next year.
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Post by Commish on Nov 3, 2019 13:49:14 GMT -5
Mariners is right on principle. I'm fine with making this exception, but will but a moratorium on the bidding process so we can move along.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Nov 3, 2019 15:25:24 GMT -5
I believe Padres GM is correct, though, on the ability for a team to bid on their own Arby FA. If the player has been offered arby, then the original team has to wait it out to see if others bid on them before re-signing them. And if nobody signs them, the original team gets them at the ARBY salary.
The only way for an original team to get the player at a lower rate, is by declining to offer them Arby and having to compete with all other teams to sign them at a price un-regulated by the Arby Rules.
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Post by MarinersGM on Nov 3, 2019 15:50:39 GMT -5
I think there is an exception for type C players, whereby the original team can make them offers and still receive compensation if they sign elsewhere. Look at this section under arbitration compensation:
Free Agent Compensation: - Prior to the off-season, free agents will be classified as being Type A, Type B, Type C, or no classification. - Teams will then decide on offering a secondary phase of arbitration to each Type A or Type B player.
It seems like type C players don't need to be offered arbitration, which I take to mean that any team can bid on them and if another team signs the player, the original team gets the small type C compensation. Honestly, I'd be fine with the sandwich pick instead of Molitor...I really didn't think he'd take such a low offer (or that another team wouldn't offer more than $1.7/1). I'm happy to have him at that price, but he could have easily been signed elsewhere if anybody offered him even a small deal.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Nov 3, 2019 19:00:18 GMT -5
I think there is an exception for type C players, whereby the original team can make them offers and still receive compensation if they sign elsewhere. Look at this section under arbitration compensation: Free Agent Compensation: - Prior to the off-season, free agents will be classified as being Type A, Type B, Type C, or no classification. - Teams will then decide on offering a secondary phase of arbitration to each Type A or Type B player. It seems like type C players don't need to be offered arbitration, which I take to mean that any team can bid on them and if another team signs the player, the original team gets the small type C compensation. Honestly, I'd be fine with the sandwich pick instead of Molitor...I really didn't think he'd take such a low offer (or that another team wouldn't offer more than $1.7/1). I'm happy to have him at that price, but he could have easily been signed elsewhere if anybody offered him even a small deal. Honestly, I think that's just a product of commish overlooking that second bullet point. Originally, we only had Type A or B.... Type C was added later and I think he just forgot to edit the second bullet point.
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Post by AngelsGM on Nov 3, 2019 20:58:56 GMT -5
I love that he PM'ed just about everyone on the member's list about Parrish. OldRedsGM gonna come crashing in like the Kool Aid man with a huge offer.
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Post by AsGM on Nov 3, 2019 22:29:01 GMT -5
I love that he PM'ed just about everyone on the member's list about Parrish. OldRedsGM gonna come crashing in like the Kool Aid man with a huge offer. OH YEAH!!!
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