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Post by Commish on Jul 10, 2018 6:54:43 GMT -5
Please vote prior to start of draft.
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Post by Commish on Jul 13, 2018 19:42:06 GMT -5
I think we'll keep the old system with this tweak: I'll auto-generate the list each offseason on my site using our old formula; each player will automatically be offered arbitration and instead of waiting for teams to offer arbitration, teams will only need to post if they don't want to offer arby. Meanwhile, teams will be allowed to offer FA to their own arby players.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Oct 8, 2018 19:54:52 GMT -5
Question on this tweak -- since they are automatically offered ARBY, does that mean if they aren't signed by another team they come back if unsigned?
I like the idea of all arby players automatically generating compensation for the original team if signed -- I think that encourages people to let good players become FA's. But, I wonder if it would be best to let those players remain FA's if unsigned during the offseason FA period, rather than just going back to original teams.
I don't know how I feel about either direction... just curious as to what you were planning.
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Post by Commish on Oct 8, 2018 20:11:39 GMT -5
I had initially thought the players would auto revert back to their original teams to their arby number. But def open for discusionn/tweaks.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Oct 14, 2018 18:15:34 GMT -5
What if for arby we do something like this: players are auto-offered arby. If signed during FA to the required arby salary levels, the original team gets compensation. But if not signed to required amount, they remain FA...
IF they reach end of FA period unsigned, the original team has a brief period of time to choose whether they want to get the player back at the arby 1-year rate, OR let them remain an unsigned FA.
IF they let them become an unsigned FA, then the original team is barred from signing the player.
Any other team is then free to sign the player to a 1-year deal, and does not lose any picks for arby, and original team doesn't get compensation. Perhaps there could be a cash fee associated with signing the guy after the FA period.
Maybe the original team then gets that cash instead of any draft pick compensation. ?
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Post by CubsGM on Oct 14, 2018 18:30:14 GMT -5
This just seems unnecessarily complicated to me. All prospects have three years on a minimum contract then they become arbitration eligible for three more years. After six years with an MLB contract they become free agents unless the GM and player can agree on an extension. If the arbitration figure listed on the OOTP salary report is more than the player is worth in the opinion of the GM, that GM can cut the player before the end of the season, automatically making them a free agent.
This is very simple and doesn't require extra work for anyone.
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Post by MarinersGM on Oct 14, 2018 18:39:51 GMT -5
This just seems unnecessarily complicated to me. All prospects have three years on a minimum contract then they become arbitration eligible for three more years. After six years with an MLB contract they become free agents unless the GM and player can agree on an extension. If the arbitration figure listed on the OOTP salary report is more than the player is worth in the opinion of the GM, that GM can cut the player before the end of the season, automatically making them a free agent. This is very simple and doesn't require extra work for anyone. Completely agree. We should see how much arbitration will be and then get an opportunity to cut the player, at which point they're an unrestricted FA. Or we keep them for whatever arbitration decides. How are guys who are still in arbitration years even making it to Free Agency?
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Post by Commish on Oct 14, 2018 18:52:46 GMT -5
This is a league-created "arbitration" system. The OOTP system of arbitration is still in place and no young players would make it to free agency.
The idea behind this is in the event that one of your stars reaches real free agency you can get something back if he signs elsewhere if you weren't able to resign him during the season.
I get why it seems complicated, but the formula has already been hashed out and the free agency utility on my site already classifies the players by A-B-C.
In the end, it does two things: usually keeps are FA classes interesting and also allows teams to get something back if they lose a solid player.
Take LAD for instance - this is a world series contending team - and Pedro Guerrero wouldn't resign after a bunch of negotiations with their GM. He can at least get something back now after having to let him walk.
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Post by CubsGM on Oct 14, 2018 19:01:43 GMT -5
This is a league-created "arbitration" system. The OOTP system of arbitration is still in place and no young players would make it to free agency. The idea behind this is in the event that one of your stars reaches real free agency you can get something back if he signs elsewhere if you weren't able to resign him during the season. I get why it seems complicated, but the formula has already been hashed out and the free agency utility on my site already classifies the players by A-B-C. In the end, it does two things: usually keeps are FA classes interesting and also allows teams to get something back if they lose a solid player. Take LAD for instance - this is a world series contending team - and Pedro Guerrero wouldn't resign after a bunch of negotiations with their GM. He can at least get something back now after having to let him walk. Sounds good. Just a new flavor for me.
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Post by MarinersGM on Oct 14, 2018 19:42:41 GMT -5
Ah I see; it's a completely separate arbitration system (rather than being based on service time, it's a mechanism to opt-in on your compensation-eligible players). I do like the idea of a compensation system to improve the free agency classes, but still think you could simplify it greatly by just treating them as unrestricted free agents with compensation consequences for any new team signing them (meaning the original team can re-sign them for anything they want but won't get any picks).
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Post by AngelsGM on Oct 14, 2018 20:15:42 GMT -5
Take LAD for instance - this is a world series contending team - and Pedro Guerrero wouldn't resign after a bunch of negotiations with their GM. He can at least get something back now after having to let him walk. just gotta rehash bad memories Spikes to the knee will be what Pedro gets!
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Post by CardinalsGM on Oct 14, 2018 22:27:15 GMT -5
Ah I see; it's a completely separate arbitration system (rather than being based on service time, it's a mechanism to opt-in on your compensation-eligible players). I do like the idea of a compensation system to improve the free agency classes, but still think you could simplify it greatly by just treating them as unrestricted free agents with compensation consequences for any new team signing them (meaning the original team can re-sign them for anything they want but won't get any picks). The original team CAN sign them during FA, but they can't sign them for less than the arby amount. The arbitration salary level is: current salary x 1.25 for a one-year deal. That was originally put in place to make it harder for teams to decide on whether they wanted to offer arbitration at the risk of having to get the player back at a higher salary (especially if the player was already paid highly). Teams would have the option of trying to sign an extension for a lesser amount (sometimes players will do so) OR offer arby and take the risk of the higher amount for 1 year in the hopes of getting some sort of compensation if they sign elsewhere. OR, they could just give up the chance at compensation and NOT offer arby to the player, at which point they would be totally unrestricted and would not bring back any compensation if signed elsewhere. In this league, players eligible are automatically "offered" arby. I think it's a good idea to always have some compensation for teams letting players reach FA... We also didn't think that OOTP's engine necessarily does a great job of deciding what salary amounts a player would agree to... so there were minimum salary requirements for an arby eligible player. Since it is automatic in this league, perhaps those minimums are too high? But I do think there should be a minimum.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Oct 14, 2018 22:41:04 GMT -5
With this new system, the original team basically is under no risk at all to allow a guy to reach FA... but it might be less likely that teams will make offers if they think they can get them AFTER the FA period and not have to lose picks for compensation.
That's one reason I think there should still be some sort of "fee" associated. We'll have to see how it plays out.
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